I love my Mesmies, A Mesmar apreciation Thread.

[Arkantos]

Originally Posted by d4nowar

Hello everyone! ^^

I just gotta say... the female mesmer is the best looking character in the game. No contest... Actually, there is a contest. But everything else loses.

Gotta love them mesmer toons.

Err... Good bye.

To you its best looking, but to someone else it could be ugly.

[Mandy Memory]

Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster

Mandy, i dont understand why you would post in this thread. --you dont like mesmers-- thats fine. dont play one.

You have completely misunderstood me. I love mesmers. They look, dance, and play way differently that the other classes. Different is good. I just dont think they are good in pve. I only really hate elementalists, but that is because they are completely flawed making them fairly useless. And just because I dont play a mesmer anymore, I still have a right to voice my opinion about "Mesmars." Which are completely different IMO. (lol...no really Im just playing devil's advocate in a pve dominated thread...on a pvp dominated board/thread I, along with everyone else, would be singing praises.)

Originally Posted by floplag

re-read what ?

the one about renagers being better interrupters ? or the one about not wanting a mesmer in a group, ever ? did i misundertand either ?

im all for efficeiancy, but the problem is that too many think that there is only one way to do things in the most efficient manner, the problem, with this game right now is that too many people take what they read on these public forums as gospel, rather than suggestions... and just assume that its always true, which in many cases in not the truth

i stand by my comments

Sadly I completely agree with people playing cookie cutter builds being rather lame. I am not one of those people though. My friends and I are quite good at exploiting the AI and we use it to our advantage. We have been "Book tricking" since well before the games release. Our group often used an AOE smiter (or 4) and we were able to get by without even having a monk to heal the warrior tanking. (Mending ftw...No really....he kept himself alive with mending and healing hands [and amity before that was elite] but thats an extremely old build)

I know where and when mesmers are good...I just would rather not grind away for hours while a subpar mesmer attempts to interupt some monk boss. I dont care how big his MoP is...those 4 eviscerate/executioners are going to kill him when it wears off. (because really now...who would booktrick when only a single boss remains?)

[floplag]

i understand, but still think you have a fairly narrow view of what mesmers do. interrupting is one small part, far from the whole

[Mandy Memory]

Originally Posted by floplag

i understand, but still think you have a fairly narrow view of what mesmers do. interrupting is one small part, far from the whole

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

[floplag]

well, your entitled to your opinion .. but let me suggest one thing .. try doing thirsty river with a mesmer, and without, you tell me the difference.

otherwise, i guess we agree to disagree

[Theos]

Originally Posted by floplag

well, your entitled to your opinion .. but let me suggest one thing .. try doing thirsty river with a mesmer, and without, you tell me the difference.

otherwise, i guess we agree to disagree

If you have a compitent ranger there won't be a difference. Though who knows how many of those you will find.

[Age]

Why are Mesmurs getting this as it is bash the Warrior and Monks week or month?When will Monks,Warrior and say eles going to gett thier appreciation?

[Jas D]

Originally Posted by Miraculix B.

(becaus male mesmer fissure looks way better than female mesmer fissure armor)

I think you're crazy. I LOVE female mesmer Fissure, it looks so nice.. it's my overall favorite armor throughout the whole game. I love my mesmer.. and all mesmers.

[Naxohs Seralna]

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

I'm going to be nice and let this one pass (1:35 AM right now...wee bit tired)...doesn't mean I'm not terribly tempted to snap back at you, though. I'll let the other mesmer enthusiasts have that honor...

[Theos]

Originally Posted by Naxohs Seralna

I'm going to be nice and let this one pass (1:35 AM right now...wee bit tired)...doesn't mean I'm not terribly tempted to snap back at you, though. I'll let the other mesmer enthusiasts have that honor...

He actually said most of the current metagame players. Includign alot of PvE mesmer players. Though not everyone runs cookies, which is why I don't like his post... but what can you do. To each his own.

[Matsumi]

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

You need a big hug, come here you silly pooshi wooshi booboo... *hugs Mandy Memory* There, now doesn't that feel better? *whispers* psst, I'm a pve mesmer

seriously though, it's a mesmer appreciation thread... so YAY! I love playing my mesmer more than any of the other characters I have.

[Rayne Nightfyre]

I have a feeling Mesmers will gain much appreciation in Factions, especially in PvE. Just from the FPE I noticed an abundance of very annoying and difficult enemies, such as the Oni (Assassins). The Ineptitude + Clumsiness combo will be a best friend of many. As always, the class will take more skill to efficiently play, so there will still be the frustration with Conjure Nightmare spammers.

But anyway, it's great to see so many others that do like playing Mesmers!

[Edge Martinez]

We've got a defogging 4 man PvE build that we use to just clear the fog from the world map. A mesmer is one of the key roles, and I just love playing a mesmer.

[My personal apocalypse]

mezmers are great and they are essential to any team

But this forum just screams “HELP MY EGO!!!!”

And in my opinion (and only that) mezmers have the worst character models in the game. I also don’t like their dance.

But as I said before that’s only my opinion. Take of it as you will

[Stolen Souls]

I have nothing against Mesmers. I appreciate what they are capable of doing...I have nothing against one being on my team...WHEN the person playing the Mesmer knows what they are doing..same as any other class. Having a good Mesmer on the team is never a bad thing, and automatically shunning one from the group BECAUSE they are a Mesmer is kinda corny, but whatever...to each his own...

If a Mesmer asks to join my group, I let him. Why shouldn't I? Because he is "not as efficient as *insert class/build here*", or something like that? Big deal...whatever...

So yeah, no problem with Mesmers, here. If one wants to join my group, I let him.



One thing I will honestly say...I don't really care for their dance...Male or Female, but then again, there aren't really any class's dance that I can actually say I truly LIKE...so, that might not matter anyway. *shrug*

[Cade]

way to appreciate by mispelling in the sbuject title

[Mandy Memory]

Originally Posted by floplag

well, your entitled to your opinion .. but let me suggest one thing .. try doing thirsty river with a mesmer, and without, you tell me the difference.

otherwise, i guess we agree to disagree

Warriors have 2 interupts, rangers have better interupts than mesmers, and ele (shudder) have KD. Personally, I beat Thirsty River with a couple hammer warriors. So yes, the difference is: With the mesmer, the damage output is lowered and the interupts must be well timed (against the 1/4-1/2 cast skills). Whereas with the warrior...the KD is constant and the damage is higher. Big difference, just probably not the way you were hoping for.

but yes, *shakes hand* Twas a good time arguing our points. Hope you had as much fun as I did.

Originally Posted by Matsumi

You need a big hug, come here you silly pooshi wooshi booboo... *hugs Mandy Memory* There, now doesn't that feel better? *whispers* psst, I'm a pve mesmer

Aweee...I feel special. Lol and I actually have taken pve mesmers...in pugs. (Shudders at the memories...[mainly memories of ele tanks] Ive been lucky with pve pug mesmers. AKA they didnt die quick, I dont pay much attention to what everyone is doing in a pug as long as the team is doing well overall)


/Salute to all the PVE mesmers. You have more patience than us all.

[Doc Baz]

Well I hate Mesmers, but being a Monk that's out of respect and fear

[LifeInfusion]

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Interupting, degening...(ooo starting to draw a blank already)...SVing?...IWing?...Blackouting?...Edenia l?...Hex/Enchant removal?...Nothing I can think of that wouldnt be a waste of a team slot. (Sorry pve mesmers...)

I really just looked through every skill for mesmers...both from proph and factions. There are no skills that would make me want to bring a mesmer, let alone a primary mesmer.

(Note: the above X posts from me all reguard pve)

Warriors and Rangers don't ignore armor. They can miss too. Blackout is useful when everything is cleared and you need to kill a boss. Power Return will mean mesmers can interrupt casters more often than rangers. Ineptitude and Clumsiness prevent those Eviscerates you love so much. Rangers cannot shutdown adrenaline attacks or signets, mesmers can.

Enchant removal is useful but necromancers have better enchant removal (to be changed when factions comes with the Shatterstorm skill).

Hex removal can be done by a monk, but mesmers have more utility, because inspired hex can gain them energy and shatter hex can do damage.

Mesmers can fast cast resurrect and spread conditions from other party members. No other class can do so.

Just because a warrior is on the front line and monks heal them doesn't mean that mesmers are less useful. There is plenty utility to a mesmer.

Originally Posted by Age

Why are Mesmurs getting this as it is bash the Warrior and Monks week or month?When will Monks,Warrior and say eles going to gett thier appreciation?

There's too many Warriors (Paladins come to mind) and Elementalists (some that use firestorm...). Monks...they are rarely in quests...there are too many 55ers that do not do quests and only farm.

[Mandy Memory]

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Warriors and Rangers don't ignore armor. They can miss too.

Warriors and Rangers DO ignore armor. And they do it while dealing more damage anyways.

Blackout is useful when everything is cleared and you need to kill a boss.

May I ask how? I usually think of damage as a good way of killing something...not disabling a character on your team to force the boss into attacking like he was probably going to be doing anyways...

Power Return will mean mesmers can interrupt casters more often than rangers.

You say that like there is more that needs to be interupted...Monsters usually only have 3 skills. Those ranger interupts every ~1.5 seconds will do more than enough to stop the genious AI.

Ineptitude and Clumsiness prevent those Eviscerates you love so much.

Actually...they will stop 1. The other warriors' eviscerates will still make it through. Of course there are only ~3 monsters that use those skills in PVE. Almost a valid point...if it existed in the game.

Rangers cannot shutdown adrenaline attacks or signets, mesmers can.

Actually the mesmers only have 1 skill to stop either of these whereas the rangers have all but 1. The rangers are way more likely to shut them down. Mesmers are only decent at interupting spells, which are not a big enough problem in PVE to warrent bringing a mesmer and lowing your dps.

Enchant removal is useful but necromancers have better enchant removal (to be changed when factions comes with the Shatterstorm skill).

You are removing enchants in PvE why? And Necros will still be better because of Order of the Apost.

Hex removal can be done by a monk, but mesmers have more utility, because inspired hex can gain them energy and shatter hex can do damage.

Smite Hex maybe?

Mesmers can fast cast resurrect and spread conditions from other party members. No other class can do so.

A mesmer doesnt even have ressurect without being a Me/Mo thus saying that mesmers are more effective at being anything other than a mesmer. And spreading conditions does nothing in pve where the monsters die every 5 seconds.

Just because a warrior is on the front line and monks heal them doesn't mean that mesmers are less useful. There is plenty utility to a mesmer.

Utility is not needed in PvE...All you really need are heals and damage. N/W/Mo all do this nicely. If you are in an area that is overcrowded or you need interupts, bring a ranger.